From driscoll@curacao.dartmouth.edu Mon Dec 12 12:33 CST 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 13:31:01 -0500 From: driscoll@curacao.dartmouth.edu (Jim Driscoll) Message-Id: <199412121831.NAA05226@curacao.dartmouth.edu> To: winstead@cs.tulane.edu Subject: hi Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4513 How goes your fermenter project? I saw your query about inexpensive TIG rigs, but I don't know anything about them. I can tell you that as my welding skills have improved, I increasingly appreciated the Miller Synchrowave that I purchased. It is not cheap, however. I notice that your email address is from a university. Most have a metal shop somewhere and it is often thae case that students and faculty can use it. It is also usually staffed by very skilled people who usually like beer. I also saw your request trying to locate me; I am that gentleman building a brewery. Enclosed below is the initial response I sent in response to your request for info about sanitary welding. If you make it available to the homebrewing groups, I would appreciate attribution: after all, they are potential customers :-]. I live fairly close to Newark airpost. Should your travel plans have you flying through, and you can arrange a sufficiently long layover, and you have the interest, I can show you my shop and some things I have built. Here is the initial post: I have been unable to find any book on sanitary welding. If you do find something of that sort I would appreciate hearing about it. Your post didn't give much of a clue as to your knowledge of metal fabrication, so here goes an explanation that may or may not be optimally intelligible or useful: The material I use is type 304, but some prefer 304L for increased weldability. I am usually using 12ga, but for a homebrew setup 18ga is about as thin as I would go to still be easily weldable. For this gauge, the mill finish, 2B, should be sufficient for homebrewing, but you can get a #3 or better yet a #4 finish for the inside if you are feeling generous. I would recommend getting the material with removable protective coating for the inside that will protect the finish while you build the equipment. You can cut it away from joints with a home-made copper blade made by grinding a squashed piece of copper tube. Never let anything made of mild steel touch your stainless, and don't use anything that has touched mild steel on it either (e.g. a grinding wheel). The welding method of choice is TIG or GTAW. Be scrupulous about your tungsten! always grind it to a point on a grinding wheel reserved for only tungsten, and if it it touches the weld puddle immediately cut off and regrind the tip. I butt weld joints. For tanks tack weld the compennents into position with as close a fitup as possible--it is worth the trouble. I use hydraulic spreaders and cargo load straps to bring things into position/into round. I then weld the inside with filler rod, penetrating say 2/3 of the joint, then weld the outside with filler. I am moving toward backing the joint on the outside with flux or a consumable weld backing material and then making one pass on the interior. Alternatively, you could back it with inert gas, but this won't support the weld puddle. After welding I use what I think are called polifan wheels from Pferd abrasives mounted on an angle grinder to grind/finish the weld on the interior. To get a better finish I use flap wheels or non-woven nylon abrasive wheels mounted on a straight grinder afterwards. After this has been done, the weld should not be visible, there sould be no pits or high spots. About the only thing you should be able to detect is a difference in finish in the area of the weld. For a really fine finish you can send the finished assembly to an elecropolisher, but unless you are Coors, this is usally reserved only for yeast propagation plants. Now here comes the tricky part. Most people will tell you that you must passivate the heat affected zone, by which they mean that the free iron brought to the surface by the welding process is removed and the protective chromium oxide layer is restored. My experience is that if the heat affected zone is finished well with suitable asbrasive materials the joint will not corrode. For your purposes you can probably use it as finished, and if you note any corrosion, it can be removed with the green hand pads sold at your local grocery store for dishwashing. If you insist on passivating it, I can tell you how it can be done, but it requires using dangerous acids. You should be aware that "fresh" stainless steel has a taste. When commercial brewers bring a new piece of equipment on-line, they first fill it with finished beer, let it sit a bit, and then discard the beer. Good luck, Jim Driscoll Driscoll Brewing